I was just going through some draft posts seeing what was in them, what I had not finished. I came across this one which is an excerpt of the Padgett Messages. For those who don’t know early last century there was a lawyer named James Padgett and he was able to have a very clear correspondence with spirits. One of those spirits was very well known, that was Jesus.
On this message (I’ve pasted below), Padgett wrote down what Jesus was talking to him about God, for me its one of the most profound descriptions of God I’ve read. Mind you its written in the period style, so the wording is not what it would be today, but that aside, its clear and concise and not a flowery or poetic style like what a lot of other descriptions of God tend to be.
I thought I’d just publish it as I wanted to address it lately. Its all the descriptions I’ve been hearing about the source of all, or God is one-ness that made me want to address it here.
One of the concepts of that view is that we are, if you traced our real identity to its source – we are God. And the reason we don’t experience being God is that we as God, before we existed as separate, decided that we would separate ourselves into parcels that don’t remember our true nature, and it is the purpose of life to remember who we are, as the source of all there is. The reason we did this was to experience the journey of remembering and experience subjectivity. Why we did that was to grow, to learn or some might say there was no reason, its just like breathing, so rather than in and out with a breath, its like an in an out of awareness of totality of all there is.
For me there’s some strange behaviour going on with God (or us being God) if that was what God was. I thought it best illustrated through a story of sorts.
Lets say this was a person who just spend most of his time doing things for no reason. If you asked him why he was doing what he was doing, he’d tell you that he just did things, he’d say too that he doesn’t know why nor does he care to know why but if you probe a bit further he might remark that it was just like breathing, he did it, it has to be done and that’s that. Then you might prompt him to get more info and ask him if he’s trying to grow or learn something from the experiences he’s having, he’d look at you, puzzled by your persistence and say “well maybe, but time isn’t linear, so I’ve already learnt all I could learn anyway”. After that he’d question you “but then again how can I grow if I’m all there is? Think about it…”
So you go along with this, it seems like magical thinking but he’s confident in what he says, so you’re a bit spell-bounded, you start to think maybe you’re not very smart because he don’t get what he says. So what you do now is just observe him for a while. Up to a certain point he’s coherent, you can talk to him and there’s just one person talking back. That is until, after a while, he takes a pill. You say “what’s that?”, he’d reply that its rohypnol, “its going to make me very unaware” then he smiles. Concerned you jump at him and try to stop him but its too late he’s swallowed it, there was nothing you could have done.
But before the effects of the drug take hold you get a moment to ask him again why he’s doing this, he say he does it so he forgets then he can remember again, “but why” you say “it makes no sense, you already remember right now”, “just like breathing” he reminds you, “you forget, then you remember again. You gotta try it, its a real trip!”
You’re at this point seriously worried about this guy’s mental stability, but what happens next is even more disturbing. He first starts talking like a completely different person, like a woman, then another man, then he’s barking like a dog, and very soon afterwards he’s pretending he’s a tree, then a mountain. This seem to go on and on forever, you wonder if he’s going to ever tire of it.
You walk off not knowing what to think, you’re sure this guy was meant to be God, well you did hear it from some very good sources after all, but “maybe” you think “maybe they were wrong?”
Anyway, I don’t know where all that came from, I thought a story about it would be easy to see how its not so logical, or maybe I just wanted to be funny or entertaining, it’s probably unhelpful if so. The point I was trying to make though is if our idea of God is less than the average joe on earth, there’s a problem with the logic. The creator of everything being less that what was created doesn’t really fly.
What’s below is a much better description if you ask me.
Who and What Is God?
WELL, TO BEGIN, GOD IS SOUL, AND SOUL IS GOD. NOT THE SOUL THAT IS IN THE CREATED MAN, BUT THE SOUL THAT IS DEITY AND SELF-EXISTENT, WITHOUT BEGINNING OR ENDING, AND WHOSE ENTITY IS THE ONE GREAT FACT IN THE UNIVERSE OF BEING.
God is without form, such as has been conceived of by man in nearly all ages, and especially by those who believe in the Bible of the Hebrews as well as in that of the Christians. But, nevertheless, He is of a Form which only the soul perceptions of the soul of a man which has arrived at a certain degree of development can discern and realize as an Entity one who has taken on the Divine Nature of the Father and has thus become a part of the Soul of God. There is nothing in all nature with which men are acquainted or have knowledge of that can be used to make a comparison with this Great Soul, even with the spirit perceptions. Hence, for men to conceive of God as having a form in any manner resembling that of man is all erroneous. Only those who deny the anthropormorphic God in their beliefs and teachings are correct.
God doesn’t have a form in the way that we understand form. We see things as having form when they are a type of physical material that holds together. Our body for example has a form that doesn’t change when we move around – in this case it’s our body’s form. So when it’s said that God is without form, it means God does not have a form by the same conditions we believe form should have. God doesn’t have a physical / material body for example. But we can say God has a form if we understand that form is something that doesn’t change because God’s form doesn’t change. We can also say that God has a form, if we understand that things with form can be sensed or perceived and interacted with, as likewise God can be sensed and we can interact with God.
When we interact with physical things, we need to use our physical body. If I want to shake your hand for instance, I need to use my hand. But as God doesn’t have a physical body, it makes sense that my physical body won’t be needed for an interaction with God.
But, nevertheless, God is of Form such as to give Him an Entity and Substance and Seat of Habitation in
contradistinction to that God which, in the teachings of some men, is said to be everywhere in this Substance and Entity in the trees and rocks, in thunder and lightning, in men and beasts, in all created things and in Whom men are said to live and move and have their being. No, this concept of God is not in accord with the Truth, and it is vital to the knowledge and salvation of men that such conception of God be not entertained or believed in. To believe that God is without Form is to believe that He is a mere force or principle or nebulous power and, as some say, the resultant of laws. However, as a fact, God has established these laws for the controlling of His Universe of Creation, and they are expressed and made manifest to men by these very powers and principles that, to some extent, men can comprehend.
The child has asked: “Who made God?” And because the wise men cannot answer that question, in their wisdom, they conclude and assert that there can be no real God of Personality or Soul Form; hence, only force, principle, or evolved laws can be God. In their own conceit, they think that they have solved the question. But the child may not be satisfied with the answer and may ask the wise men: “Who made principle and force and laws that must be accepted as the only God?” And, then, the wise men cannot answer unless they answer: “God,” which they do not believe, but which, let me say, is the true and only answer.
God is in back of force and principle and law, which are all only expressions of His Being and which could not
exist without Him. These expressions are only existences: changeable, dependent and subject to the Will of God Who, only, is Being.
GOD, THEN, IS SOUL. AND THAT SOUL HAS ITS FORM, PERCEPTIBLE ONLY TO ITSELF OR THAT OF
MAN WHO, BY REASON OF THE SUFFICIENT POSSESSION OF THE VERY SUBSTANCE OF THE GREAT SOUL, HAS BECOME LIKE UNTO GOD NOT IN IMAGE ONLY, BUT IN VERY ESSENCE.
We spirits of the highest soul progression are enabled to see God and His Form by our soul perceptions. But, here, I use the words “see” and “form” as being the only words that I can use to give mortals a comparative conception of what I am endeavoring to describe.
When it is remembered that mortals can scarcely conceive of the form of the spirit body of a man, which is
composed or formed of the material of the universe, though not usually accepted to be of the material, it will be readily seen that it is hardly possible for me to convey to them even a faint idea of the Soul Form of God, which is composed of that which is purely Spiritual that is, not of the material, even though to the highest degree sublimated.
And although I am not able to describe to men that from which they may glean a conception of the Soul’s Form because of the limitations mentioned as such Form can be seen only with the soul’s eye, which eyes men do not possess it must not be believed that, because men cannot understand or perceive the Truth of the Soul’s Form, therefore, it is not a Truth.
A TRUTH, THOUGH NOT CONCEIVED OR PERCEIVED BY MEN, SPIRITS, OR ANGELS IS STILL A TRUTH; ITS EXISTENCE DOES NOT DEPEND UPON ITS BEING KNOWN. AND EVEN THOUGH ALL THE MORTALS OF EARTH AND ALL THE SPIRITS AND ANGELS OF HEAVEN, SAVE ONE, COULD NOT PERCEIVE THE EXISTENCE OF THAT TRUTH, YET ITS EXISTENCE PERCEIVED BY THAT ONE IRREFUTABLY PROVES ITS REALITY.
But, as I have said, the Truth of God’s Form the Soul’s Form can be testified to by more than one of the Celestial spirits of men passed from earth. And, as I have attempted to explain, the possibility is before mortals of the present life and in the great future to perceive God if their souls have become possessed of the Divine Substance of God’s Love in sufficient abundance.
The created soul of man has its form it being made in the image of God; yet man cannot see that form, although it is a fact and can be testified to by many in the spirit realms. And here it needs to be said that, when in our messages we speak of God as being without form, we mean any such form as men have or think they have conceived of; and our expressions must not be considered as contradictory to what I have tried to explain as the Form of God.
Well, in addition to Form, God has a Personality; and this is expressed and made known to man by certain Attributes, which, to the consciousness of man, are existent in the universe. But, to some philosophers and scientists and wise men, these Attributes are their impersonal God, Himself, and, to them, the only God. They make the created, the Creator, not realizing that behind the expression must be the Cause; and that greater than the Attribute must be that from which the expression of the Attribute is projected, or, as they better like to say, evolved.
AND HERE, I, WHO KNOW, DESIRE TO SAY THAT THESE MANIFESTED ATTRIBUTES OR FORCES AND POWERS AND PRINCIPLES AND LAWS AND EXPRESSIONS DO NOT, ALL TOGETHER, CONSTITUTE GOD. HIS ATTRIBUTES OR EXPRESSIONS, MANIFESTED TO MORTALS OR SPIRITS, ARE ONLY THE RESULTS OR EFFECTS OF THE WORKINGS OF HIS SPIRIT, WHICH SPIRIT IS ONLY THE ACTIVE ENERGY OF HIS SOUL HIMSELF. AND, HENCE, THE FORM OF GOD IS NOT DISTRIBUTED OVER THE WHOLE UNIVERSE OF CREATION, WHERE HIS ATTRIBUTES MAY BE, OR SIMPLY BECAUSE THESE ATTRIBUTES ARE MANIFESTED EVERYWHERE.
No, as was said by Moses of old, and as was said by me when on earth: God is in His Heavens. And although it may be surprising and startling to mortals to hear, God has His Habitation; and God, the Substance, the Self-Existing Soul Form, has His Locality. And men do not live and move and have their existence in God, but they do in His Emanations and Expressions and Spirit.
As you are somewhat exhausted, I think this is a good place to stop.
I am pleased that you are in such good condition. So, be prepared for an early resumption of the message.
With my love and blessings, I will say good night.
Your brother and friend,