Real people in One People’s Public Trust

I wrote a few posts about the one people’s public trust (OPPT).

1. http://disorderlyhappiness.com/2013/02/25/oppt-meetup-in-sydney/

2. http://disorderlyhappiness.com/2013/03/01/enough-about-oppt/

3. http://disorderlyhappiness.com/2013/03/06/oppt-is-not-unrebutted/

Those posts if you get a chance to read kind of get progressively skeptical, my last one especially. I feel I’ve been a bit harsh, or better to say not open – which really means I’ve not displayed a great deal of humility. I’m working on that.

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“Kelly’s” – a pub in Newtown

I did however meet a few people tonight who are really inspired by all this at the Sydney meetup about OPPT. Lisa Harrison was one who I felt was very sincere and she’s one of the core group. I didn’t go and challenge anyone on those points I raised on my last post, as that wasn’t my intention. I just wanted to learn about this from real people off the Internet. I just believe all in all, you get a better sense of people with face to face interactions, not necessarily with words, sometimes despite words and you just don’t get that on the net.

Anyway, I do however think it would be beneficial to look at having a more open presentation of what I wrote about – in relation to who and what our creator is and what our purpose is, and in the end that would just make it more inclusive. You might say something like at this point in time this is what is understood as the purpose of creation but it is a continual source of discovery and revision etc. rather than stating these things matter-of-factly like was done. If any one thing is infinite, then it follows learning about anything is infinite too, so its always fruitful in my mind for any theory to be in a space of openness.

Yeah but like I can talk about being open 🙂

I’ve actually emailed Heather who started OPPT a few weeks back asking whether those things where open to being revised, given I believe what I was quoting was a revised version from the original filing anyway. She’s not replied but I imagine thousands of emails hit her publically published email, so a bit of a long shot there. I suppose in some ways it doesn’t matter, it seems that it served its purpose in that it was a catalyst to getting a lot of people seeing the fiction of this system we believe we are under or subject too.

What’s important from all my postings on this subject is that people are not about raising one view of the spirituality, the creator and the purpose of creation as being higher than others, especially given no one really has the authority other than God to say they know all there is to know. Of course we can use logic and experience to determine what is closer to the truth. But only God could state that with absolute certainty, so there’s got to be some arrogance on our part to believe we know the full picture. So it’s more about being in the spirit of openness that counts.

The opposite to that is just how dogma is made, and with dogma, people start enforcing things on others regardless of repecting others free will or sovereignty. So that was a red flag for me which I mentioned on the last post I made on the OPPT.

Overall, I feel if OPPT or the movement that is generated out of it sticks to its core points, it would not only steer clear of being misused to exercise power over others but will be much more embracing:

1. We are all of equal value, unique and free souls,

2. So we are all personally responsible for all our thoughts feelings and actions, past, present and future.

3. No one but our creator has authority over us. And no one has authority to stand as an intermediatary between our creator and us.

That pretty much is their main message as I first understood it and for me its a solid one as each is logically provable. It was just the additional stuff on the revised filling that threw me off my initial enthusiasm, and which made me question things.

The thing is, OPPT, or anything similar, or anyone else won’t take away our personal and our world-wide problems, we individually and collectively only have the power and authority to do that. If rather we’re handing over any authority to anyone or anything else, we’re back where we started, in a system of our creation that oppresses us via our willingness / consent in the end to do so.

It just looked to me that many of those drumming up support on Facebook and blogs (like me), just got overwhelmed by the feeling that suddenly an event and a group of people would take all their problems away. You see that right there is a denial of personal responsibility. It’s understandable, as for most of our lives me included, fear has governed us. Because fear governs a lot of our choices, we caused a lot of harmful outcomes, each of us, and who wants to look at oneself in the mirror and see that? We want to just feel good, we want someone to take the burden away.

It’s like that myth that Jesus died for our sins. As far as I’m aware, Jesus died because he was murdered, it was just wrapped up in a nice package and sold to us – and for many years we kept buying it. It wasn’t anyone’s doing, it was God’s plan, he did it and because of that, we have an open licence to do whatever we want so long as we believe a bunch of fictions and go to church every Sunday.

I’m not saying that’s the core teachings of the church, but you can see how it could be easily swallowed and practiced that way.

So my point is, if that is what happens with how people see OPPT or anything, whichever way you look at it, it will be a platform for problems not solutions.

Anyway, I think I’ve said more than enough on this, so I’m not going to go on with it like a broken record.

What was good though for me is meeting real people, not Internet avatars. It actually helped me to see or maybe closer to feel that these people are sincere seekers for substantial positive change. That’s what I was left with after tonight.

So in the end, real change, both personal and collective as far as I can see, is achieved by all and each of us.

For me the fruit of change is demonstrated by acts of love. If something like OPPT, or Divine Truth, or the Cassiopeian Experiment, or whatever brings people to have more compassion, kindness, integrity, truthfulness / honestly – all qualities of real love, then it is worthy and I support it.

8 thoughts on “Real people in One People’s Public Trust

  1. guitartist2013

    Hi David, i had a sort of similar experience with feminism… firstly i didn’t agree with it and then i decided to talk to those i knew who supported it, and although i gained some empathy and understanding as to why they are part of the movement i still honestly can’t say i agree with the movement. I just feel we can support certain morals within something but we are all individuals at the end of the day and i wish to support things i see as loving in people as individuals but i wouldn’t be able to support the actual movement myself. I don’t know if i have said this clear. I think i mean it is ok to not totaly agree with a movement but still value others freewill. If someone says to me do you support feminism? i say no. Because i don’t believe in it totaly and see the damage it is causing at the same time. I find we can often be afraid to actualy say i don’t agree with some movement because we are afraid of looking like a mean person as we can see the value it has for others at the same time to some extent, but still is it loving? and does it support emotional freedom or does it seek to stay in some denial etc… So many people tried to convince me feminism was the most loving thing but i knew in my heart and from investigating it that it wasn’t, Even though it has played a part in raising up womens value in society It was an excuse to stay in anger at injustice rather than feel the emotional causes and i don’t want to support anyone to stay in that place. I love the way you have got into it and realy wanted to understand it for yourself. Laura xx

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    1. David Wall Post author

      Honesty I don’t support movements, but I support anyone’s actions that demonstrate real love, and for me that’s seen where people are compassionate, kind, generous, humble, always seeking, not in denial in themselves or outside themselves, in the space of openness to life and openness to discovering truth. Whether God is in the equation or not, our natural capacity to love is what I support. I feel with God we are guided so it’s a faster process to find that capacity in ourselves, as you know and I see how with God too we can grow beyond our full innate capacities, but that is always a choice for me or anyone else to take if I or anyone else want.

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  2. Kathara

    It’s amazing how so few people at the top can manipulate so many people at the bottom, can make so many people fundamentally unhappy, and nothing changes. What does that mean? That people are terrible cowards? My grandfather always used to say: the one who’s one step higher on the ladder (pardon my french) shits on the head of the one below him. I don’t think he was a very happy person but I guess he was right in the end.

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    1. David Wall Post author

      You know that French philosopher, Foucault? – well all the art school teachers used to love him, you’d just splash some paint on a canvas, paste in an image from a history book, add another from pop culture, then you could just quote something from Foucault when asked about it, and your art gets the rubber stamp of approval. That’s a side detail, anyway, one thing I did like about what he said was the idea of how power is never top down, it’s structured and reinforced in every part, so it’s not a system of control held by any one group, it only exists because it’s held up by all of us, in the sense that we all play a role. So yeah you’ve got those who seem to be calling the shots, but they’re not, unless someone is following their directives. I mean I could be a little dictator, ordering people around me, but in the end if no one is following me, I’m just a raving lunatic. And to be honest, anyone ordering people around them, whether or not anyone actually listens and does what they say, is already a raving lunatic in my mind. So anyway, if all these different groups are playing roles, in this system of control that only functions while we’re all in fear, no one in these groups have any semblance of freedom to be anything other than their role, so even if there’s an appearance of happiness, top to bottom, they’re all unhappy in a real sense. I mean if one appears to be happy but at the same time is closed in their minds, closed off to their feelings, their happiness is an appearance only, there’s no real substance to it. So your grandfather however bitter he was, might just have been happier than the guys higher on the ladder, but just didn’t see it.

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  3. David Wall Post author

    That’s really interesting, Goebbels wrote too in his diary that “the war made possible for us the solution of a whole series of problems that could never have been solved in normal times.” He seems to fit the psychopath character, with an ability to read others very well, but with next to no sensitivity / empathy for others at the same time. It’s kind of sad really, I just see such people as very emotionally shut off, so for them, people are not really people but almost like inanimate objects, like tools to be used to craft whatever it is they want to achieve. The thing is, a person like that can’t have a real relationship with another human being, it’s like trying to have a relationship with an inanimate object, it’s not even possible. At the same time, being emotionally disabled, they can’t have a sense of others’ suffering caused by them, for them it’s probably like watching a cartoon, like say Roadrunner, when Coyote falls off cliffs and gets squashed by boulders, it might even be humorous for them. Some believe psychopathy isn’t curable, I don’t know about that, I think perhaps a lot of rehabilitation and care (and be protected from harming others), with a lot of time, I feel such people can come to be in touch with feeling in a true sense, and so heal from that type of condition.

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