Guru test

K shared this and it’s a great check list. Personally after reading / viewing material from people said to be cult leaders, like Jesus (AJ), Arthur Cristain, Laura Knight Jadczyk, I don’t see them fitting the bill. Of course I listen / read material from a wide list of others too, who also dont fit the guru bill. But then again, I’m probably just a brainwashed patsy, what would I know! Hope you find the list valuable.

The Borscht of times, the Würste of times

The False Guru test seems to have struck a cord here in the West because of the outrageous abuses and exploitation by gurus, many self-proclaimed and completely misguided.

TAKE THE FALSE GURU TEST. If seven or more of the following describes your guru or spiritual teacher, then unfortunately he or she may not be be as enlightened or good for your soul as you would like to believe:

  1. States his or her own enlightenment: The wisest masters tend not to state their own enlightenment or perfection for they know that it is both unhelpful to themselves and to their students. The false teachers often make this claim because they have little else on offer to attract followers.
  2. Is unable to take criticism: False teachers strongly dislike either personal criticism or criticism of their teaching; they do not take kindly to ordinary unenlightened individuals questioning them. They or their organisations will…

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  1. Dean Sims

    By Rick Ross, Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist
    Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.
    Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.

    No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.

    No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.

    Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.

    There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.

    Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.

    There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.

    Followers feel they can never be “good enough”.

    The group/leader is always right.

    The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing “truth” or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

    Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.
    Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.

    Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower’s mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused–as that person’s involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.

    Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as “persecution”.

    Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.

    Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.

    Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.

    A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.

    Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.

    Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.

    Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.

    1. David Wall Post author

      Dean, Rick Ross is a convicted criminal, of things like theft, kidnapping, uses torture techniques in “involuntary deprogramming” – a nice phrase for kidnapping, threatening / physically abusing people to renounce whatever they believe. Do your research. And such people include Christains he’s practiced his techniques on too, those a bit on the outskirts of Christianity not unlike your said belief systems.

      He is a danger. I’d say if Rick Ross is involved, it’s more like out of the frying pan and into the fire for anyone who’s unfortunately become victim to his ways.

      In any case, as I’ve said I do not subscribe or follow anyone. I find Jesus’s teachings very worthwhile, I find others valuable too but my focus is on God. I can’t speak for anyone else who listens / reads / does what I do, only myself. And to be honest if you do believe in God, that’s where you’d be focusing your energy anyway.

      If you’re going to be posting comments that are basically personal attacks at me, I suggest not to waste your time. As I said, I won’t be publishing these, I just delete them.

      1. David Wall Post author

        Also just to add, I’m not either wanting this to be a place for debating, you want to do that, there’s plenty of people with forums out there on the big World Wide Web, waiting for you to join them on endless debates that serve little purpose to anyone, apart from feeding personal addictions.


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