On joining a cult

Imagine there’s a story on a modern day man who lives in Australia and says he is Jesus. Then that story goes on to say that he is a kind, loving man who says a lot of interesting things that may be worth looking into more if you were so inclined. That wouldn’t make headlines.

When I first heard about AJ I definitely had reservations about his claim about being a reincarnation of Jesus, then after noticing the coherence of what he spoke about and feeling there was something really to it, the thought crossed my mind that he might be. I’m not sure that makes me a cult member but some people might say otherwise.

58 thoughts on “On joining a cult

  1. Marilyn Manson

    Idiots to the max. Gullible weak and ineffectual. These fools from Kingaroy should be castrated and sterilised before they illegally produce offspring with the same deficient IQ. Trouble is that they will use prepubescent girls and boys for their purpose.

    Sick faggots!!

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    1. David Wall Post author

      There’s been and still are people that claim authority on truth to assert power over others and this puts them in a position where they can enforce things against another person’s will (or groups of people).

      Although when you think about the fact that many of us live our lives doing things we don’t really want to be doing and it’s only because we feel powerless to change things, you can see that most of us live under the control of false truths everyday. I’m not talking about the control mechanisms of small cult-like groups, but our larger social framework and its ‘accepted’ truths which we are subjected to constantly via not only the media, but more powerfully by our family, friends, colleagues or basically anyone we come into contact with who is indoctrinated with the same belief system. That includes ourselves.

      Marilyn Manson’s music is a reaction to this, so I can relate to a lot of what he says – he’s also been falsely accused for having a cult-like control on his followers.

      But the point is, everything we are indoctrinated to believe including our angered reactions to people / things that threatens these beliefs maintains a culture of fear. If you break it down further, we are only afraid of the results of living by whatever our free will dictates. We are afraid then of living our lives contrary to all those emotions that tell us we can’t. When we’re in fear, it is only then we are at our most venerable in terms of being controlled.

      So, all I’m asking is for you to see what’s behind your comment. When each of us get passed our fears, we can begin to be open to the truths that are presented to us. I’m just suggesting for anyone that wishes to hear to seriously examine what AJ and Mary are saying. Only after that we can make up our own minds an informed way.

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    1. David Wall Post author

      The odds are slim – to be sure. But there’s limitations to what we can know via statistics. I can’t tell you I know for sure, but I do feel AJ speaks truthfully. Beyond all that, putting into practice what AJ teaches has helped me understand myself much more than I have before, has I feel helped me become a more loving person to myself and those around me and this has improved my life immensely and in all areas of it. But the thing that has stuck out the most is that I have become aware of the existence of God – not as a concept but a feeling – it’s been like I’ve slowly been able to open my eyes to see God there and feel an incredible source of love that was actually there all along, but I’m actually feeling it now. I guess a good analogy might be like when you’re wearing a coat and the sun comes up in the morning – the sun’s warmth is there, but until you take the layers off, can you actually feel it.

      So this is not evidence for whether AJ is the same Jesus in the 1st Century, but it is evidence for me personally that what he teaches has a great amount of merit by the result of it’s practice in my own life.

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      1. Anonymous

        AJ THE spirit never dies, yet you are saying riddles to this person, jesus has an answer for everything, yet you are confused, people like you will see the fire and brimestone before rest of us sinners!! yes we all sin but how you repent is another matter AJ.

      2. David Wall Post author

        Do your words come from a place of love? For example, it is clear AJ angers you – you wrote a stream of comments with the intent of inducing fear. Whatever AJs identity is, if this topic or any topic really brings you to a place of anger – you could ask yourself what is it about your beliefs that assist you to be loving here or assist you to be angry and unloving. I don’t believe you should change your core beliefs about God, but perhaps by furthering your understanding about where your beliefs cause you to move away from God will shift things naturally. I feel we’d both accept for instance that God loves His own creation, so if our free will leads us to be unloving, then we can understand that this makes it harder for us to accept God’s love (when we are being unloving). So if your intent is to come closer to God and have a closer relationship with God, then where your personal beliefs hinder that, it makes sense those would be the one’s to examine more closely.

        You, I and AJ or any human who act good or bad are still God’s creation, and if God created us with His love, then it makes sense that love would be the quality which is most important in terms of how far we progress towards God. So rather than focus on what way we belief love is absent in others, if we use our personal resources to look at where love is absent within ourselves and amend that, we can move closer to God and our true potential for which God had in mind when He created us.

        I’d be happy to chat with you about this if you are open to a respectful dialogue. If that’s not possible at this time, then maybe later we could do that. I’m always willing to learn and I believe wholeheartedly I can learn something unique from every single person.

  2. David Wall Post author

    Hi there – Lets say you believe the Bible is God’s word passed on to humanity. Why would God hide his message in code? If God is a loving God – would he do that?

    Another way to imagine this is lets say your dad wanted you to know that you should look both ways before crossing the road. Instead of telling you that, he wrote an elaborate story and encoded in that was the phrase “look both ways before crossing the road”.

    It seems like we have a contradiction. On the one hand a God who is loving and wants a relationship with us. On the other hand a God who purposely hides from us.

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    1. helen

      no contradiction David, when you know the author you know our lord Jesus. Don’t be fulled by false prophets. AJ is a dangerous man who will destroy many lives. the out come will be a sad day for his followers.

      God bless

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      1. David Wall

        I haven’t seen the evidence of that myself. My life is at present very nice. I just went for a walk with my wife and told how things have really come together for us and that I’m starting to feel a sense of happiness, more so than I used to. The truth for me is developing a relationship with God – God the entity that is, not the concept. Happy for you to have a different opinion though. That’s the wonderful thing of having free will.

  3. Gomag

    So, who are you, David Wall? Are you really AJ in disguise?? (Your photo looks a lot like him!)…obviously not Reverend Moon…another crackpot that thought he could control the world. Reverend Moon did similar tactics….tore families apart….(divided and separated, in the back blocks of California). There must be a there something in this? He also used the tactic to to get people to talk about the trauma in their lives and to turn away from the people they loved the most. It appears that most families don’t have the same impression of you as your followers. If you are Jesus Christ, you would be trying, surely, to convince families to join you! You are a very dangerous individual and pray on the weak and gullible….how dare you and I hope you NEVER get tax free money!!

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    1. Anonymous

      DO NOT let these people fool you. We all sin and we repent ourselves for our sins, however these people have are of evil, They brainwash many, take there savings, GOD WILL JUDGE HIM, just as we all will be judged!!

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      1. Sean

        Would a ‘loving’ person resign their critical thining skills to such claims of lunacy?! Love your mind and treat it with respect before you make judgments on others for not blindly believing such drivel.

  4. Anonymous

    if this man truely were jesus, then he would not have returned to earth in a human form, but in a spiritual form AND he would be wiping out the sin with total devastation & bringing down God’s kingdom to the WHOLE World, not just a small part of it in Australia.

    Perhaps reading the actual facts of the bible would help to see the truth.

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    1. David Wall Post author

      Wiping out sin with total devastation? Jesus spoke about love and God’s love for all of us – I cannot see much of the Jesus of the Bible in your expectation of how Jesus would be.

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      1. Anonymous

        Read Revelation, your answer is there, Jesus is NOT a liar, He told us how He would return and the manner of it, this book is the Revelation of Christ to St John! Because He loves us, He is going to destroy thoose that follow SATAN! If you love your wife and daughter, TRULY! Then KEEP YOURSELF AND THEM AWAY FROM Miller!!

      2. David Wall Post author

        I mightn’t agree with you fully there, but I agree with you that love is the guide post to knowing others true intentions, Jesus or otherwise. Thank you for thinking about my family’s welfare.

  5. Anonymous

    Hi, just a few observations and questions, having watched the entire series of DVD’s, certain things that AJ says concern me. He says that everyone has their own Free Will and that he has not instigated or suggested anyone move or buy property near him. I was around, when he infact did make it known that the property where the centre is now placed was up for sale, once it was purchased he also stated that he did not want any involvement in running it, he then goes on to state that setting up centres around the world has been a desire for a long time.

    A charity organisation has been set up, with him and Mary holding total power, over decisions as the Sole Directors. The word on the street now, is that there are changes on that front. Is it due to the media publicity? or Is it due to the new laws about charity organisations? It leaves a lot of people guessing, now that he has shut down video access to the core group meetings that he is conducting.

    Sure you can say it is his free will in play, but it’s a far cry from what he originally started teaching and still is.

    He seems to place the focus on other people’s free will when it comes to their actions and behaviours that occur around him, and does not apply the same principle to himself, which is that it is his FREE WILL and LOA that HAS created EVERYTHING that is going on around him.

    He has surrounded himself with some very needy people, the groups, the centre etc. Which is a far cry, from what he actually teaches, which is “You don’t need me, Develop your own relationship with GOD”, He seems to imply most of the time that he is not responsible for anothers free will and it is all just happening around him. Like he’s this humble, loving guy, and has no control over his own LOA.

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    1. David Wall Post author

      Hi Anonymous,

      Firstly, I’m not an authority on any of this and I can’t really tell you much about things I don’t know a great deal about or have had first hand experience in. But this is what you’re saying as best as I can understand it.

      1. AJ coerced people to buy land for him and this is evidence by him stating that land was for sale nearby.
      2. Creating learning centres designed to assist learning about Divine Truth is not in accordance with AJ’s openly stated desire to assist people to learn about Divine Truth. This is evidence by the fact he will be one of the directors of the charity organisation that he hopes to set up.
      3. Because AJ’s plans to distribute Divine Truth have in your opinion changed over time, he can’t be trusted.
      3. Having meetings that aren’t public and open invitation is in conflict with Free Will regardless of the purpose of these meetings.
      4. By the fact that AJ associates with many who have visible emotional injuries, he is not loving and humble and the evidence for this is that he has what you determine are negative attractions (people / events) in his life.
      5. AJ and Mary don’t really want people to develop a personal relationship with God as they state, and the evidence for this is that people with visible emotional injuries choose by their own Free Will to be around AJ and Mary.
      6. All of the above reasons demonstrate that AJ and Mary are actually against personally accommodating your Free Will irrespective of theirs or anyone else’s.

      To be honest they are all rather loose arguments. In my opinion number six points to the real reason you have decided to anonymously comment here, posting what you say was a question without an email address to be notified of any reply. But I could be mistaken – just a hunch.

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      1. Anonymous

        Where does it state that I need to include my email for a reply? I thought posting here was , where you reply. They are my observations not arguments! Loose? You state that you are not an authority on all this, and yet you respond with a lot of assumptions and accusations about how I am feeling and what has motivated to write on this matter. You have your point of view and I have mine, lets leave it at that.

      2. David Wall Post author

        Hi Anonymous, that was quick . I’ve only attempted to clarify your observations “as best as I can understand it” and represent it back to you. When observations are constructed to verify a point of view it’s no longer an impartial observation – in other words it becomes an argument. So in my opinion, you weren’t presenting observations but an argument hidden behind the premise of an observation. You don’t need to provide an email to comment here but if you ask a question anonymously and have no other way of being notified about a reply, my feeling is you don’t really have a question you want answered. In fact you mention you have a question in your initial comment but there wasn’t really any question throughout the comment. Yes I have presumed to know what you may be feeling underneath what you have written, I actually went to edit my comment to say ” I could be mistaken – just a hunch” after thinking about what I just wrote and saw your new comment.

        Anyway I would be interested to know about your experiences putting some of the things you’ve heard about Divine Truth into practice or even if you haven’t why you haven’t for instance. I know sometimes I do come across as arrogant and presumptuous, so I’m sorry about that – there’s something deeper there in me that’s behind that around fear of being wrong. So do I myself overlook things because I want to defend my point of view? Definitely.

      3. Dean Sims

        My address is dean@fifthdirection.com. Should you have any questions, you can ask me directly. Everything this person has said is accurate to my knowledge and based on my personal experience with Alan John Miller. Anyone else is free to ask as well.

        Dean Alan Sims
        281.736.0139

  6. Anonymous

    My meaning of argument is an altercation, beef, feud, disagreement, and an observation is an investigation, conclusion,perception, review. My opinion: nothing is ever impartial, how can it be?
    I feel we are head wanking on this one, however, I do appreciate your response and yes I did go into describing what I have observed, rather than asking questions.

    Accessing my emtions and my beliefs is something I was doing before I came across the DLP and my comments in my first post having nothing to do with the tecniques but rather what AJ & Mary are creating around themselves. I don’t trust everything they do or say and quite frankly I don’t see anything wrong with feeling that way.

    My experience is once people open up to what they are feeling, a whole new realm opens up for them, and awareness starts flooding in, self awareness for me is an on going and never ending journey. I hope this gives you an overview, to expand further into my own experiences on this and other paths, would take many pages.

    I have investigated and applied the material which has been presented , and I have also come to the conclusion that he is not Jesus and I am happy to be shown that I am wrong. I believe what he teaches is how we can become more loving and so have many other people before him.

    Thanks for apologising even though I feel there was no need.

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    1. David Wall Post author

      Must admit – being anonymous made me curious about you – so I investigated your IP and found you’re somewhere in Central Australian Outback SA. I have to agree with you, observations can’t be impartial. Of course as far as I know there’s no way for me to know for sure (from my present position) about whether AJ is Jesus. The same goes for not knowing for sure even if there is / was a Jesus. By the same logic I wonder how you can know for sure that he isn’t. It’s all a bit of an intellectual thing. Feeling wise, I can’t explain it properly as it’s a feeling thing – but besides (for me) his coherence – that is the content of the message and how it aligns with how he conveys it – there’s something that just feels right about his identity. I don’t know if that makes sense, as it’s difficult for me to explain well in words.

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      1. Anonymous

        You are checking people’s IP addresses LOL. You may want to know, that your IP checker needs a revamp, I am in Queensland 🙂

        Yeah, I felt that he was congruent, when he said he was Jesus and the truth he presented matched what I, through my own life experience had come to believe. So it was undeniably magnetic, combined with him being a loving individual.

        Once I started my own internal exploration, felt into and understood where he was coming from with his teachings. I then revisited the DVD’s and found I could feel into him more, (thank god for the pause button) I then noticed where he wasn’t congruent with what he was saying.

        The reason I dont believe he is Jesus, is a constant niggling that things just aren’t adding up, and like I said, not everything he says, feels right to me. We could bang on about is he or isn’t he for eons.

        Hey, thanks for being willing to engage, today I was feeling it was fruitless for me to keep expressing my views about AJ and Mary, it’s not that important in the scheme of things, takes me away from my own journey.

        Thanks again!

      2. David Wall Post author

        Those IP checkers aren’t always good – don’t know too much about how they work but think they get it wrong if you’ve got a roaming connection or something like that. Anyway, likewise glad to discuss – the fact is (I feel) somewhere along the line we’ll know such things for sure but as I mentioned, I’m not even near that point right now. One thing that just came up was this – could not the niggling feeling be something to do with AJ himself presently working through his own emotional injuries?

        Anyway, happy to have a dialogue with you here and anonymously whenever you feel like talking about this.

        Love, David

      3. Anonymous

        AJ repent before the point of no return, may have the gift of the gab but not the heart, i salute the taliban before you, as I know they are genuine!

  7. Anonymous

    I justed wanted to add, that when someone is presenting material that is loving and resonates with people, and the presenter believes and and has applied these truth’s and had results, it becomes a belief, and part of who that individual is, you can then add these truths are coming from God, and believe that without question. All of us can believe something so passionately, without question and present it as such. You can also over time, believe that you are Jesus. Combine that with what he calls God’s Truth and you have a very powerful combination.

    Ghandi did it, Martin Luther King did it, Hitler did it…..to name a few…. they moved nations, people wanted to believe.

    The most appealing quality about AJ Miller, is that he is driven by LOVE, which is great, however, if you take on someone else’s belief system as the be all an end all, one places oneself in a very unhealthy situation.

    I don’t advocate “throwing the baby out with bath water”, but stepping back and exploring all that is presented, rather than just accepting all that is presented as the Truth and the only Truth.,

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    1. David Wall Post author

      Agree with you there – I’d be in some pretty heavy denial if I just believed stuff because AJ told me so. That’s not my approach to things. Previously I’d only trust my own gut feeling and investigation, lately I’m slowly trusting God over that, but that’s a scary thing for me right now so developing my relationship with God is very slow – probably because of the initial approach.

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      1. Anonymous

        I have a question for you. How do you feel about not respecting my free will to remain anonymous and invading me and my privacy by tracking my IP address? Is that a loving thing to do? Are you doing more than that, and hacking my computer?

      2. David Wall Post author

        Hi again Anonymous, rest assured I’m not hacking into your computer (I don’t know how to do that anyway, nor would it be something I’d be interested in). What happens when you comment without a name on WordPress is your IP comes up with the comment (instead of a name). IP finders are on the internet like this one: http://www.iplocation.net – they wont give people exact locations at all. I just wanted to figure out if you were from the US, I thought you might be someone there but even if you were that person – it was not my intention to expose you. I don’t feel this action threatens your privacy. I’m sorry if you felt invaded.

    1. David Wall Post author

      Hi there, no I don’t know of a divine fun website – there’s plenty of opportunities in life for fun and laughter but I reckon God gets comedy, I mean who could be more light hearted than God? Anyway was wanting to know from you – in your mind what’s the next chapter for DLP?

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  8. Anonymous

    Not sure what you mean, are you refering to AJ presenting more truths? Or are you wanting to hear what I think might happen? It would be total speculation on my part to answer either of those questions.

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    1. David Wall Post author

      I’m happy to hear you speculate about it if you feel like it. Knowing that it’s a speculation and knowing that it might not happen as we believe – we can still share opinions about it either way. It’s clear we will probably have different opinions but as you said earlier – there’s nothing wrong with that.

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  9. gomag

    What a load of claptrap….anyone with a brain would know that AJ is not Jesus and that he is a dangerous man. Knowing he came out of the other cult…the jahovas witness crowd is enough for me. He has obviosly taken some of their teaching with him…like trying to predict the end of the world and dividing and separating families..I have been involved with several families that have been divided in the jw’s and then when the person has tried to restore the relationship with the non believing partner, the church excomunicates them….is that what AJ does? Or are his followers so under his spell, that none of them have ever tried to restore an existing relationship.
    As far as the end of the word is concerned, we are all still here after many attempts at trying to end it all, by many. The most telling attempt I can remember is the very sad outcome of the Jonestown massacre, which, I must say appears to have some similarities to this crackpot group!

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    1. David Wall Post author

      If you are so certain, who am I to tell you any different, considering you’ve already placed me outside of your definition of “anyone with a brain”? In terms of my definition of that – it consists of those who investigate things rather than those who form an opinion on face value.

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  10. gomag

    “If you are so certain, who am I to tell you any different, considering you’ve already placed me outside of your definition of “anyone with a brain”?In terms of my definition of that –it consists of those who investigate things rather than those who form an opinion on face value.”
    David, you are now contradicting yourself….in the first part of the comment, you are stating that you have no brain, because you believe implicitly in JC…opps!!! I mean AJ!!! And in the last part of the comment, you are investigating. What are you investiating, David? Are you saying that you have not formed an opinion yet?

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    1. David Wall Post author

      I really meant that because you’ve already formed a concrete opinion about my ability to discuss anything with you (“anyone with a brain would know that AJ is not Jesus”), without much (it seems to me) personal investigation into the matter, it would be fruitless to engage with you on this further. As a general rule I feel allowing ourselves to continually investigate whatever we believe or don’t believe also allows us to grow. As to my opinion, there’s a lot of posts here that go into that in more detail.

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  11. Sean

    Every ‘Jesus’ was/is a fraud. To even consider this cult leader’s claims is to reveal a deep lack of understanding of how the world works.

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    1. David Wall

      I tend to approach most topics logically, the thing I’ve personally noticed that feeling and logic / critical thinking don’t contradict each other, in fact we can believe ourselves to be critical but that can be swayed by pre-existent feelings. For example, I know you feel I’m deluded as soon as you figured I find value in what AJ Miller presents – but can you see how that feeling may actually skew your critical thinking in regards to my reliability?

      For example – most people at one stage thought the world was flat. If I told you the world was not flat and you had an emotional investment in the idea that the world is flat as well as the majority of people you knew, how likely would you be to critically analyse my claim?

      But if there was no emotional investment pre-existing you would be much more likely to approach the subject critically. That’s how I view things right now. In the future my opinion may change – I see that as a valuable thing – to be able to change / grow.

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  12. gomag

    What further investigation do I need to do? I read the preamble to this, watched the video, read some of the ramblings of Mary “Magdalene” Luck (lucky to be alive, if sheis the REAL Mary Magdalene ) As I said before, I have been involved with the “Moonies (Unificatin Church, for anyone that doesn’t know who they are!”) and been touched by the horrors of being a member of the Jahova’s Witness and all I can read into it is misery and desperation by anyone that has been touched by these groups and anyone the professes to be higher and mightier than any other group. I can say that after reading about these two, they fit very nicely into a cult mentality . Why is it that the families of these people are so desparate to get their loved ones out and why is it so important for members to disassociate with their families? You may have a loving relationship with your wife and child but are they “believers ” too?

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  13. David Wall Post author

    Just read through all my comments – I really needed to defend my ground. Obviously that’s not about AJ, just me and my stuff and the whole lot was my attraction! Kind of a time to have a good laugh about myself applying all this logic but on the foundations of something illogical – defending truth. Truth needs no defense, and as a rule when someone is doing that, you can say their ability to know and speak truth is incapacitated.

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  14. Anonymous

    this human is not JESUS, why do people get brainwashed. They want hope and security and will do anything to get that, we as humans and every other living organism on this planet DIE. If you think this man they call AJ can help you, then peoples you are the ones who need the help, JESUS loves all that his father created and WILL NEVER EVER accept money or food from us, or deny us or ignore us, AJ MILLER MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU!

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    1. David Wall Post author

      I’m not personally under an illusion that I won’t die at some stage. That comment as well as many other angry one’s here are more like rants and don’t make too much sense to me. Probably because rants don’t come from a logical base to begin with. I mean, if you’re screaming down someone’s throat (and you’re in the habit of capitalising your written words all the time), you’ll have very little success in changing another’s opinion, so the whole exercise of doing that is rather pointless or at least a waste of precious time and energy.

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  15. John

    I would like To know what authority Mr AJ has to claim he is Jesus. Is his authority the bible? If so, the bible claims that AJ is a liar. (Matthew 24:verse 23 and verse 24.). How dare any man claim diety without performing the miracles and having a desire to please his father as Jesus did. Where are the nailprints in A J ‘s hands? Can he actually heal people’s broken lives as Jesus did? Or does he just make his followers feel inferior and blame the parents for their problems? I see the markings and the genesis of a cult.

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    1. David Wall Post author

      You wouldn’t be the first, John. I’m just glad no one asks me on what authority I claim to be me. That would be annoying! Anyway, best you ask him yourself, if you really want to know, there’s a schedule of free seminars you can check out if you’re interested. But if not, how can I really be an authority on AJs identity or in fact anyone’s?

      I just find a lot of value in what he talks about, I don’t feel inferior, nor blame my parents for my problems either, that would be kind of naive and really I’d be just avoiding my personal responsibility for my own life. I wouldn’t find that message of any particular value, if that’s what it was.

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